Gye Greene's Thoughts

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Tuesday, February 06, 2018

Expensive versus cheap universities


 Here's the punchline:  for nearly all students, I don't think there's a justification for attending an expensive university over a "regular" university -- e.g. a "state school".


As someone who's attended three universities and taught at one American university and two Australian universities, my assessment is that it's more about the student (and possibly the prestige/reputation of the university?), and not about the "quality" of the school.  That is:  unless you're doing some high-powered medical or science degree where there can be substantial differences in the resources (high-end lab equipment) -- there are good instructors and bad instructors everywhere, and it really comes down to how smart, and how studious, the student is.   Maybe at the ultra-high end there might be more opportunities for the "gifted" student:  but my impression is that the higher-end student will either "make" his/her own opportunities, or else maximize the "standard" opportunities (e.g. do a really ambitious "capstone" project). 

So my 2c is that if there's an in-state/out-of-state tuition cost difference, to just stay in-state.  If she truly wants to get away from the parents for "independence", just move to the other end of the state.  ;) 


The exception is if you think that a "fancy" school (Harvard?  Yale?) will build business networks that you otherwise wouldn't gain.  I can't speak to that.

The other exception would be if there's a very specific program, or person you want to study under, at a specific program.  (And!  Professors leave universities for a different one ALL THE TIME -- so do not attend a university JUST for one specific person; do it because the university also has a strong program.)


For "advanced" work -- sure, go for the peak.  But as an undergraduate:  let's say the calibre of one program is 70% the quality of the other.  Is the student really going to learn 100% of what is being offered?  Will the student **really** "max out", and absorb 100% of what the professors have to offer...?

Unless the student believes that she or he will be the equal of the instructors at the end of the program (unlikely -- even for graduate students) -- she or he will still be developing and learning, right up to the end of the program.


Definitely, some programs are better than others.  But (in my observation) it's more because some programs/departments are actively bad (i.e. dysfunctional) -- not that some are definitively superior to another.

Again:  it comes down to the student -- both the intellect and the effort -- not the "quality" of the program.  As long as the program's quality is at least "pretty good".


That said:  if she truly wants to go out-of-state:   if it's a state school, it would be far cheaper to investigate the "residency" rules and (presumably) move there for a year or two, work, and then attend university once she can pay in-state tuition.

I ended up having to take a year and a half off between the first half and second half of my undergraduate degree:  it was an incredibly useful and informative experience, and I don't regret it for a moment.  (I worked one and a half jobs -- but I was young and energetic, and it was only for a year and a half...)


That's my assessment, anyhow...   ;)


--GG

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2 Comments:

At March 16, 2018 6:14 AM, Anonymous Giovanni said...

I generally agree that the quality is very similar, and the private college is likely not worth the extra expense (except for schmoozing or getting a rich spouse). For my undergraduate degree I went to a state school for 2 1/2 years, then transferred to a "well regarded" private college for 2 years which cost about four times as much but didn't deliver an education that was four times as good.

I also spent quite a few years post-bac at another state college, in a different state.

The private college was richer, so some stuff was fancier, but due to it being smaller, it didn't have some of the other resources that the state schools did. However, it was an earlier adopter of a few high tech things.

The biggest difference I saw was that because state universities are bigger than private universities, there's a lot more classes being offered term, and the variety is NICE. I don't care if there are 200 students in my class versus 30 -- I want to choose between 10 biology or history classes a term, not 3!

At my particular private university, most of the students were hard working and very bright, and it was quite difficult to get As and A-s. However, at the state university, it was easy to get these grades, because the students weren't very hard working nor particularly bright.

If you're looking for a smart person to marry, it may be harder to find him/her at a state college.

 
At March 16, 2018 8:41 PM, Blogger Gye Greene said...

Great insights!

Moderate agreement on the intellectual quality of the students: there were some non-bright and/or lazy ones that the private university I attended. It partly would depend on the reputation of the state school: in Washington state the two largest ones (I believe) are viewed as "The good one (with tons of fancy research going on), and the "Less-good one" (and is viewed as "A party school" or "The one you attend, if you can't get in to the other one".

Regarding diversity: that's more of a "size of university" dimension: I suspect that if you went to Harvard or Yale, for example, you'd have the same sort of course diversity as a large state school.


--GG




 

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